Kris, Brook Jr. was killed on a snowmobile, on a large Lake, I believe he was broad sided,(?) if you call a Snowmobile a vehicle, I don't, it can not be driven on a road in Oakland county, as in most counties. no more then a riding lawn mower is a vehicle.

@Haulin -- according to Merriam-Webster, the definition of SNOWMOBILE is as follows:
: any of various automotive vehicles for travel on snow; specifically : an open vehicle for usually one or two persons with steerable skis on the front and an endless belt at the rear

That said, what point are you trying to make?

My point, one) we now need Stop signs and traffic lights out on a huge frozen body of water Two) it is obvious that Merr-web, didn't no where to put it, so they described it, nothing more, Perhaps best would be off road, ride able pc. of machinery, as is a ride able lawn mower......... to your point in using a dictionary, to run your life...... your letting some else to do your common sense thinking.

I'm not following your logic or the point you're trying to make, Haulin. My use of a dictionary was to educate you on the fact that a snowmobile is, in fact, a vehicle. Regardless of your focus on semantics, MY point was that Brooks should be well aware of the risk of traveling at accelerated speeds without restraint, regardless of the vehicle. He of all people should know better. Have a great day, Haulin.

Going to edicate me, (lol) why I am just a bungling idiot, MOST words get into a dictionary by public usage, acceptance.
Kris, go into any dealer tell them you want to buy one of their Vehicles, don't slap them for their queried look.
Go into any large parking lot with 90 to 120 "Vehicles" parked out side, and ask the hostess if she could get some of the vehicles moved out side..... so you can park your VEHICLE , see what expression you get back at you......... they are sleds
SLEDS w / engines, they pay a TRAIL FEE, that is how those in the know will call them ............
'As for the book you quote, that is the same book that at one time, called a "fart" an explosion between the legs.............. go figure. "enough" ...... your not a snowmobiler. every one that is or sells, or repairs, call them sleds.....

It's unfortunate this thread has gotten completely off-topic. The story is related to L. Brooks Patterson paying a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt in a car crash; it's not about the tragic death of his son in a snowmobile accident.

No Fault, means just that ......... Robb

I'm assuming his benefit package includes health insurance, so we are probably paying to put him back together.

Sorry, Haulin T Male, but no fault means the other guy won't have to pay for it.

Cathy: the guy who hit them got a ticket, for basically causing the accident, (turning in front of on coming traffic) if car one didn't hit County car, there would of been no injury....... I think no fault comes into play when no ticket is given,

In Michigan, No seat belt, is just a fine, AND means NO points on your record. (it is a reminder Ticket, (should be invasion of privacy, when your stopped for no belt.

Fortunately cars have crumble areas that are made to help absorb the impact of a collision. I hit a street sign once trying to avoid a deer on icy road and at less than 20 mph had over three thousand dollars damage to the front end due to the crumble area on my vehicle. By the way I was wearing a seat belt.

John you are totally right, what looks like a mess now adays, would not of been back in the 50's thru 70's the crush zone is there.

How do you know he was speeding? cause some scribe said the "black Box" so tell me how accurate is the "black Box" when was it last calibrated, way back when it was built? what happens to it when it goes down the wash board roads of No. Oakland Co.? I do court watching, they are ok for telling the Tech'y why or what......... but in a court of law, not so reliable. as for L B's ticket, my sources (inside) said he let it be known the ticket, was to be written..... see he is a politician,

How did you get exact facts? If they are true - then the driver of Brooks car needs a speeding ticket.

the article I read indicated 1/10th of a second prior to impact. the data logging that the OEM's put in their cars is pretty impressive, and I highly doubt the professional law enforcement officers would omit relevant data about grossly excessive speeds in the immediately preceding moments as they will come out as evidence in court.
I suspect that unfortunately, Mr. Patterson's driver may have never even got his foot onto the brakes...

Regardless, 5 seconds is an eternity in terms of reaction time and vehicle dynamics. at 54 mph one covers ground at a rate of just under 80 feet per second. a typical lane of paved road way is 11ish feet wide. that means they effectively crossed through an entire 5 lane intersection in less than 1/2 second if they had been at a constant speed.

someone also apparently drives an ancient vehicle, probably on bias ply tires without a seat belt if they think a brand new Chrysler had brakes "locked up for 5 seconds" (in most automotive tests the 300's deceleration from 60 mph to zero is accomplished in 120 feet or so)

I survived a similar t-bone accident when someone turned left in front of me in a posted 50 mph zone (no traffic lights they were just not paying attention as my car as well as the ones above have day time running lights). my injuries were limited to minor airbag burns on my forearms, and a hairline crack in a knuckle when one of my hands flew off of the steeringwheel and smashed out an HVAC Vent.

Or, put another way, Grover, ...a lot faster 2 seconds before the crash. What drugs/alcohol were in the Deputy's and Brook's systems? Oh, forgot, they weren't drug tested. How convenient, per usual. Another fact in this case is that the Auburn Hills judge who ticketed the other driver was convicted of a DUI, was on a tether for a year, but was still allowed to be a judge during that year!!! How did that happen? Thanks to Brooks, she still kept her job. This incident stinks to high heaven.

Retired Deputy and Patterson speeding, and not wearing seat belts causing severe injuries. Sheriff Bouchard nose diving his helicopter into a crowd of peaceful classic car owners during the Dream Cruise sending people to the hospital.

WE NEED A HUGE CHANGE IN OAKLAND COUNTY. PRONTO.

@ beth, not sure the integrity of Politics in Oak Co. is based on a Seat Belt Ticket, as a politician, he is using this to it's fullest....... what a good bad guy am I.

it is everyone's individual right to protest a law, and even practice civil disobedience provided one is willing to accept responsibility/penalty for same.

I personally find it strange, even reprehensible that someone would wish for a horrific accident to happen prior to political outcome, rather than to simply wish it hadn't happened at all...

Which brings up an interesting question....how is it he is even a valid choice on this year's ballot? He is currently disabled from working as County Executive, and is receiving disability insurance. Is he still being paid wages while on disability? If so, that is fraud. With all the empty/closed businesses in Oakland County, and astronomical increase in food stamp recipients over the last few years, we can't afford Patterson (or Bouchard for that matter). The only thing keeping Oakland County above the fray are the taxpayers of Bloomfield Hills. The rest of the County is in very poor shape.

Again...Michigan is a No-Fault state.

"...the DUI?" You must mean the several hundred DUI and other illegal substance abuse charges he should have gotten over the last 20 years.

That's right James. The DUI he deserved several years ago still upsets me. If it was you or I in that situation we would have been locked up and still making payments to pay off the repercussions. Depends who you are as always!!!!

Dancer44, that is so not true, I will tell you, a certain PD, stop me, I was goinf down, after two beers, I didn't know what was happening, I couldn't get zyxw....... they ran my record found spotless, his partner drove my van and parked it across the street, and they drove me home....... I have not had a beer since......... that was 4 yr's ago. This makes it sound as though I drink and drive, What was happening, I was having a reaction to new medicine that did not say "no alcohol " They had noticed I was wearing Compression leg wraps, ask if I was on any medicine, ............... yep.......

so don't say if it was you or I, It was "I" I am thank full it was raining, and the motorcycle department doubled up with scout cars............ I sent them a thank you card, and their observation and deed, will always be remembered......... as for Patterson, when you see him talk at length it is more on the jovial and happy side, (mannerisms) easy to get confused............ I had a guy at work who had umpteen court appearances, he was from Denmark, he talked very broken English, the case would get thrown out, cause he acted and talked as if drunk....... so to give an "I know what happen" statement should be careful . Do you or I really know?..

Haulin T Male are you a relative of Patterson or something?

I am not, but old enough to realize the county is better off with him then not.. I did not vote for him !
I am a frustrated def. atty. wanna be, if I could do over. smile. the law is fasc.
There fore when ppl with grudges don't like titles, etc speak out on Half truths to muddy the waters.
as for "Glass Bottle" means what. to you your implying a no no. But to me it means it could be a sport drink, one of those Tea's that are not in the tall cans, why it could even be an Italian Sauce, or pickle pigs feet.. and or any thing else in a glass bottle.
as for the reports, for all the time they close down a rd. for invest. the public reports are sure lacking, I agree, I see my cpd reports monthly, hard to make sense of them. I think (know) it is to not make public too much.. till action is taken, or freedom of info is filed.
It just be nice if ppl would not pass wind on their anxieties but just on the facts........ ever been on a jury, DNA is as close to perfect as one could get, YET it is not 100% , if there is doubt must not convict.. why is the guy contesting ? does he have 10 points> I don't know. but if he calls the driver or Patterson to the stand they can plied the 5th...it is OUR right. I am interested in the black box, and how it will stand up to scrutiny . in authenticity . I am not for Patterson nor against.. but don't say no one is above the law. and you went above the speed limit today. and you didn't go to the PD. hypercrit

Safe? Financially solvent? Are you blind, Karen M. Faett? In the last 2 years the percentage of Oakland County residents getting food stamps has increased 20%. Have you noticed every other business/store front closed in Oakland County? You must not live, work or eat here.

He may have done wonders 30-40 years ago. However, the county is now in a shambles. Times have changed, and It's time for a change. Vote for Kevin Howley.

Insurance is provided for a fee, and is meant to cover his injuries. However, with that said, he is also collecting temporary disability insurance (mandatory for OC employees off work after 6 weeks), and that means he is NOT currently our OC Executive. His mouth pieces and underlings that get quoted in the papers are doing his job. If he IS working, and collecting disability insurance, I hope criminal charges are brought soon against him for fraud. (Anyone truly expect him to suffer consequences the rest of us do, when we know for years he hasn't?)

Kat Freemason. You appear to be confusing the Oakland County Merit Rules and/or union rules related to employee benefits with Elected Officials and/or their appointees.

Mr. Patterson, as an elected official is compensated with a salary. Look up the definition of a Salary in State and Federal Statute, or under the National Labor Relations Board.

While doing some research, next go research the County Charter and how it speaks towards compensation for elected officials.

I'm pretty confident you will find that, much like elected representatives at local Government, State Government and even at the Federal level that there is very little requirement forcing one to "accept/take" disability - or even an attendance policy at all per se'.

Do you really think Gabby Giffords was forced to double dip when she was shot in the head in Arizona a couple of years ago?

Your obvious blind hatred for the man (or perhaps his party) is causing you to ramble on with baseless statements that are to coin a phrase you seem to like on this story - fraud...

I believe both Gabby and brooks were working, on the job sort of speaking....... there is more fine print, for on the job type wounding........... besides Gabby has a different standard, she is not under NLRB, both are elected officials.......... don't confuse, witrh a hourly or salaried employee.......... as those that work for them,,,,,,,,,,

Mr. Male - points are well taken.

However, Ms. Freemason's statement that "disability" is "mandatory" for "all Oakland County Employees" is baseless.

Oakland County Government has several ruling/governing statutes and policies depending on which element said employee falls under. A county elected is not subject to the merit rules, or union contracts that she may be referencing.

the gabby statement was an analogy - just as she is an elected official she is not subjected to the similar rules and regulations governing/protecting members of the House of Representatives Staffing Employees.