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Tree Decorating Mom Refuses to Pick Up Kids from Library, Police Called

A Farmington Community Library staff person called police after the woman refused to pick up her children, ages 12 and 15.

 

A Farmington Hills Police officer picked up two children, ages 12 and 15, from the Farmington Community Library Main Library at 6:18 p.m. Saturday, after their mother told them she would not come to get them. 

According to the report, the 45-year-old Farmington Hills woman told a dispatcher that she wouldn't pick up the children because she was busy decorating a Christmas tree at their grandmother's home in Southfield. While the children walked to the library, neither was wearing a jacket, and library staff would not let them walk home. The report noted temperatures had fallen below freezing. 

The children were taken to Farmington Hills Police headquarters at 11 Mile and Orchard Lake Roads. The officer spoke to their mother, who said she was upset that the children called for a ride seven minutes before the library closed. The report indicated the officer told the mother when she picked up the children that a report would be filed. 

Related Topics: Crime Report and Farmington Hills Police

William Gallagher

4:11 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Good for you Mom.If the stupid kids dont want to wear a jacket there then they will be very cold on the walk home.They will wear one next time wont they! Come on F.H.Police,dont you have better things to do then pick up 2 kids who probably told their mom,No Mom its warm outside we dont need a jacket!What a waste of taxpayers money.

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Cheryl

9:13 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I AGREE - Good for you Mom!
My kids have their driving learners permit at 15. If SOCIETY can not trust them to get home from the library, how can we trust them behind the wheel of a car??
This Mom is training her kids for LIFE. Real Life!! in just 2 or 3 very short years there is NO ONE that is going to be telling the older one what to do. He's going to be headed off to college and the police are not going to be knocking on his dorm room door to make sure he has a coat on.

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C baker

8:44 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Sharla, I routinely walk that distance, after dark, without a coat. It's not that big a deal. If those kids were able to get to the library, they certainly could get home.

Sheryl Edwards

4:23 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012

At least her kids were at the library! Sounds like a good place to hang out.

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jim & linda May

4:21 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Another parent who doesn't want to take responsibility for her own children. She should have insisted that they wear coats, and she should have planned on picking them up from the library, since we all know that it's dark by 5:30pm.

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Shawn B

1:55 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

They walked to the library, they can walk home. RTFA. It is not an issue of irresponsibility.

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Kristin Campbell

1:56 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Isn't it generally accepted that we learn from our mistakes? Walking home in the cold would encourage the children to remember a coat next time, and having learned that lesson, they'd be able to equip themselves without anyone else's insistence. These kids were willing to go home in spite of having forgotten their coats, and that willingness to accept responsibility makes me think they may even be able to operate and crosswalk button. there's nothing wrong with the dark for a person who's halfway to 30, for crying out loud. Perhaps a lack of coddling is actually a show of kindness and trust, since having learned a little personal responsibility would have prevented so many members of my generation from living, jobless and aimless, in their parents' basements well into their adult years.

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Jenne

2:55 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Ran into this story on a parenting blog. Seems like she was encouraging the kids to take responsibility for themselves; your library has a policy that kids over 11 can use the library independently.
There's a Bill Cosby routine in here somewhere. "Faster, Faster, You Fool You Fool!"

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C baker

8:46 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Her children aren't babies. They are capable of deciding for themselves if they are warm enough, and they certainly are capable of walking home a short distance after sunset.

Connie Knie

4:30 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

While I am not the mother of the two kids in question, (and I believe William is not the father) I agree that the children should have known better than to not wear coats when it sounds like they knew their mother was not going to be available to pick them up. It was NOT 8:50pm but 6:00pm so dark was also not much of an issue. I also feel that our FHPD has better things to do and filing a report is even more over the top. If these kids decided they needed a ride home they needed to give their mother more notice as she was in Southfield. I just think the whole thing was blown out of proportion.

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Jimmy Geagan

11:04 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012

you all need to get a life. and that mom needs to take responsibility for her children or get a nanny. the library is not your gd daycare.

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Kristin Campbell

2:03 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I see no evidence that the mother was using the library for free daycare. It sounds like a case of a mother who trusts her children to act responsibly in the world at large. It also appears that the children wanted to pick up their materials and head home, but were stopped when someone decided they were incapable of caring for themselves. A 15-year-old (in many cultures now, and in our culture years ago) is able to hold down a job, parent children and lead a family. There's not a lot of difference between a child at age 15 and at age 18 - just 36 months of life experience. So should we stop college freshmen who show up coatless?

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Jen

2:17 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Jimmy is right. The library is not a daycare. So why are they trying to be? It's none of their business how two teenagers are dressed on their way home. All parents should be as responsible as this mother (i.e. have the guts to let their teens develop some independence and suffer the consequence of, say, not dressing appropriately). Both the library staff and the police department were totally out of bounds. 12 and 15 year olds don't need nannies, daycare or police protection from freezing temperatures.

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Jenne

2:55 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

You put your teenagers in daycare?

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red

12:25 pm on Wednesday, December 5, 2012

Around here, daycares don't take kids older than 11.

Alison Ristovski

2:11 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

15 year-olds don't need daycare. The girl that babysits my daughter is 15 years old. I was babysitting at 15 years old. I was also "watching myself" at 12 years old.

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Casey Munro

2:25 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

They were 12 and 15! A nanny? I should hope that at least a degree of responsibility lies with the children at those ages. Good grief, next thing we know they'll start arresting moms and dads at old folks homes if their adult children break the law.

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Illinois Parent

2:36 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

It was 30 degrees and cloudy on the Saturday when this happened. Technically "below freezing", but not exactly dangerous weather.
http://www.weather.com/weather/pastweather/hourly/Farmington+Hills+MI+USMI0920:1:US?startdate=20121124
If my 15 year old took my 12 year old to the library, forgot to take jackets and then raised such a fuss about walking home at 6 PM that the librarian had to call the police, he/she would be grounded for a month. If, instead, my teenaged children were held against their will by the library and placed into custody of the FHPD for not wearing a jacket in 30 degree weather, I would be at the next city council meeting to complain.
On the other hand, if my 15 year old kept my 12 year old at home, playing video games and eating chips, instead of doing something useful (like going to the library) he/she would also be grounded for a month.

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greenmnm

2:56 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Ridiculous that the library and the police would even get involved in this. A 15 year old and a 12 year old are plenty old enough to walk BACK home after walking TO the library. I'm so tired of people treating our young people as completely incapable of handling the most basic tasks. Kudos to the mother, I wouldn't pick them up either. I'm the mother of a 19 all the way down to 3 years old and would expect that all of my guidance from the time they were born, would make sure they are responsible enough to handle WALKING in the cold.

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Mama Nurse

3:53 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

The police *should* file a report. As a matter of fact, the mother should insist on it. It should be filed against the library employee who held two law-abiding, responsible teens against their will! Has the nanny state really gone this far?!

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Mama Nurse

4:03 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Oh, and the title of the article? ("Tree Decorating Mom Refuses to Pick Up Kids from Library..") That was more than a little bit leading. Next time do a better job of hiding your bias and at least pretend to hold some journalistic neutrality.

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Nikki Warner

4:31 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Another over-reach of government stemming from a bunch of freaked-out, helicopter adults. The librarians and police were coddling these boys like babies and stomping on the parental rights of the mother. These teenagers were in no danger from walking home in 25 degree weather. I respect this mother for trying to raise real men. It sounds like she's instilling responsibility through consequences, as well as a love for reading, into her children. These boys will likely grow into productive members of society. I doubt they'll be living in mom's basement throughout their 20's like so many of the spoiled, irresponsible, "kids" we see today who have been coddled to the extent that they are unable to mature into adulthood.

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Jimmy Geagan

4:59 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

trying to instill a sense of responsibility is one thing, burdening the library (and police) with that responsibility is another. once the mother was called by the library AND later, the police dispatcher, it should've been abundantly clear what she was doing and she should've stopped decorating her gd tree for 10 minutes and seen to her children.

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Beth

9:44 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Jimmy, your point might be a little more well-taken if you didn't have to throw in "gd" on every post.

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Julie Sunrise

10:53 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Jimmy Geagan: the library and the police were "burdening" themselves by babying a 12 and 15 year old. at 12 and 15, they are both old enough to be babysitters themselves. i believe they would have made it home just fine. the change in temperature from 12 to 6pm was like 35degrees to 32degrees. look it up the weather history. if they felt fine walking in the cold without a coat at 35, they wouldn't be much colder at 32. i worked in the detroit area for many years and i can tell you that the police should have been focused on more important things like all the murders that go on around there. they should have told the librarian to let them walk home. some people need to get a life!

Diane G

4:43 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

If something happened to either one of those kids walking home in the dark, below freezing without jackets, the mother would have been crying negligence and filing a lawsuit against the library and the town!! They are her responsibility and they are under 18.

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Julie Sunrise

10:58 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

doubt it. the library is not a school or a day care, they aren't responsible to oversee the comings and goings of kids, especially those that are old enough to watch themselves (12 and 15)

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C baker

8:48 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

What, exactly, do you think was going to happen? Being driven home is by far more dangerous than walking - check out the stats on deaths by car crash someday.

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Joni Hubred-Golden

4:55 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

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Wilma Fingerdoo

5:03 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

We have a saying in my home:
"There is no such thing as bad weather, just poor choices in clothing."
Yes, they probably should have worn coats. But they didn't and were still fine with walking home. How nice that there is a library nearby that these kids can utilize in the community.
WHO IS THE BUSYBODY THAT DECIDED TO ENFORCE A NANNY STATE AND NOT LET THEM WALK HOME? They walked to the library and were fine walking home. How dare someone interfere with such a basic transportation decision!
If you were so worried about the cold weather, offer them something from the lost and found. But calling the police? What a waste of resources.
Good for this mom for standing up for her kids- they're not babies. Soon these kids will be driving their own cars but hopefully, for the sake of this planet, they will still walk the short trips to places like the library.
Also, what's with the title of this article? What the mom (or father) was doing at the time of the phone call is irrelevant. "Dad on toilet refuses to pick up kids".

There are many problems facing our youth in this country. Good kids walking home from the library is NOT one of them.

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Tamara Winfrey

5:05 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

For those crucifying the librarians for "holding them against their will," et cetera: You know darn well that if something had happened to the two boys on the way home, you would be clamoring for the librarians to be fired, publishing their personal info online, and so on. This was a no-win scenario in a society that has no common sense left.

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Mama Nurse

6:39 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Well since I'm the one who brought up "holding them against their will" (though nothing about "crucifying" anyone), I'll bite. As to your assumption of what I "know darn well"...no, I don't, and with all do respect...neither do you. Honestly, if something happened to those teens on their way home, I wouldn't give one thought to the librarians. Just as if something happened to them while walking home from Starbucks, the barista who last served their drink wouldn't come to my mind. It certainly would never occur to me to publish someone's personal info online for ANY reason. Someone who feels that this is a legitimate way of dealing with or shedding light on an issue is unstable at best; dangerous at worst.

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Cheryl

9:19 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I agree completely that "in a society that has no common sense left." but I will have to take it out of context. For the past 3,000 years it has been acceptable for a 15 year old to be responsible. (PERIOD for emphasis) Even as recently as 30 years ago. So what has changed? Where has the Common Sense gone??

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C baker

8:49 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

I know nothing of the sort. I don't hold random adults responsible for the actions of unrelated teenagers. How stupid would that be?

catherine

5:29 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

My concern is for this mother who now has a report on file and is in greater danger of further public intervention - if anything else happens, regardless of fault or responsibility then they will go back to this and use it against her. Our system kinda sucks.

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Jimmy Geagan

5:36 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

https://www.ncjrs.gov/html/ojjdp/nismart/03/ns4.html
oh btw, 59% of all kids abducted in the US are 15 or older.

it's not about walking home in the cold. it's about resposibility. period. it is not the library's responsibility to gauge the appropriate temperature or distance for your children. it is not the library's responsibility to find a route free from deviants, miscreants, potential abductors, etc. for YOUR children.
if something had happened to them, on whom would the burden fall?? i got good money that says the mom would not own up to it any more than when the library and later, police dispatcher called her.
sure, they walked to the library, but does anybody know where from or how far they had to go to get home? the bottom line is the library shouldn't have to make those choices because it puts them in a dangerous position if something does happen.
and when somebody calls you and asks you to pick up your children, not doing so and scoffing at that request, makes you a bad parent.

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Mama Nurse

8:34 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Your attempt at defending the overreach of the library personnel in this situation falls short and unfortunately only makes their interference look worse. If we follow your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, then are we really to believe teens should never be outside of their parents' supervision?!

You are absolutely correct: It is NOT "the library's responsibility to gauge the appropriate temperature or distance for your children" or to determine the safety of their patrons' route home. The fact that the library personnel took it upon themselves to do so is the problem, not the fact that a mother allowed her kids to walk to and from the library. The only ones who need to know the distance or safety of their route home are the parents and the kids. It's none of my business, your business, or the business of the library personnel! What I deem acceptable for my teens to do, you might deem unacceptable for yours, and vice-versa. But I don't get to dictate to you what your kids should and should not be allowed to do. Those are personal parenting decisions.

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Jenne

8:45 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

So, of the 115 'stereotypical kidnappings in the index year-- that is, 65 kids IN THE ENTIRE US-- were over 12.
The kids were in 100s of times more danger being driven home than from being kidnapped.

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johndburger

10:50 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

You keep repeating yourself, and it still doesn't make sense. You are correct that the library shouldn't have to take responsibility for a 15-year-old child - so then why did they try? Teenagers can and should be allowed to take responsibility for themselves.

As for your attempt to scare us with poorly chosen kidnapping statistics: are you saying the teenagers shouldn't have been allowed to walk home under any circumstances? Insanity!

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John Bender

11:06 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Everyone here keeps insisting on letting the parents make the decision, but what everybody here fails to acknowledge is that the parent wasn't there to make the decision. I am curious to know... when the article says that the mother told "them" she would not come get "them"... does this mean that she told the children that she was not coming to get the children, or did she tell the librarians that she wasn't coming to get the children? Because if the librarians based their call to the police based on information from the children... well, who knows what the children told them?

Jimmy Geagan

5:41 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

also, for those that have not yet realized it. the coats had LITTLE OR NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. the same exact thing would've happened regardless of whether the kids each had 17 coats or zero coats.

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Mama Nurse

7:02 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

So if you believe the risk of injury or abduction is too great to let your kids--even teens--out of your sight, then that is certainly your prerogative. In the same way, it was this mom's prerogative--and well within the law--for her to allow her teens to walk to and from their local library!

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Julie Sunrise

11:07 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I have to agree with "Mama Nurse" Jimmy. It was more dangerous to put them in the car than to let them walk home. According to a NYT article, "the British writer Warwick Cairns, author of “How to Live Dangerously,” has calculated that if you wanted to guarantee that your child would be snatched off the street, he or she would have to stand outside alone for 750,000 hours."

NPR headline: "Traffic Accidents Top Cause Of Fatal Child Injuries." "Nearly a million children worldwide die every year as a result of unintentional injuries, and the biggest killer is traffic accidents, according to a report from the World Health Organization."

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Joni Hubred-Golden

6:52 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

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Elatia Grimshaw

8:18 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Wow! They were 15 and 12, not five and two. Leave them alone!

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Marci Thompson

8:44 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Either the librarians should be held responsible for kidnapping ("Unlawful detaining" or whatever), or the kids should have been left to get there the same way they arrived. You can't have it both ways.

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John Bender

11:00 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Except that nowhere in the article does it mention that the librarians detained the children. The only thing that it states is that the police picked them up from the library. For all you know, they willfully waited there for what they thought (correctly) was going to be a free ride home.

Elizabeth Rivers

8:59 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Must be a very safe town if this qualifies as news. Couldn't find a "kids caught shoplifting while mother drunk in bathtub" story?

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NMikus

9:51 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Well when I was 15 and didn't take a jacket to school, I RAN HOME from my after school activities, in the snow, in the dark and without the jacket so I wouldn't freeze in doing so. It wasn't my mother's fault I was irresponsible or (probably told her I "was fine.") I probably did the same at 12. I can't figure out how the hell I made it to 44 without that jacket in the snow... kids today are babied way too much.

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Sharla

9:38 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Given my understanding of the overall situation, the library's employees made a judgement call. The doors were about to close, it quickly became quite cold and they, the library employees, didn't feel right about those kids being exposed to the elements of the weather, or left standing on the steps waiting for their mom, who was none to pleased having her time interrupted. My understanding, she refused to come and pick them up, she was busy and angry that her kids weren't either smart enough to plan for the change in cold temperature or they were just lazy, selfish and inconsiderate of how their mistake was affecting her day. Either way this was a no win situation. Once the FHPD were called, MOM SHOULD HAVE DROPPED WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND PICKED UP HER KIDS. PERIOD!!! END OF STORY!!! SHE COULD HAVE "TAUGHT HER KIDS A LESSON AFTER THEY GOT HOME" The events unfolded as they did because of MOMS REALLY BAD CHOICE AND ATTITUDE. The FHPD answered a call from a concerned citizen for the welfare of two children and responded in the appropriate way. Now, if they were 18 years old and the same events unfolded "MOM" could have said, "My children are adults, if they walked there, they can walk home" and that would have been true. She could have stayed at her mothers home in Southfield and finished her tree decorating without having the appearance of being irresponsible, selfish, uncaring and neglectful parent.

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John Bender

10:59 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

This story has led to some heated discussions with parents that I know. I am getting the feeling that this story in many ways is a mirror that reflects many people's poor parenting, and that is the reason so many people are so upset about this.

Librarians I believe need a Master's Degree to work in Michigan and make like $32,000.00 a year. Cut them some slack. You can't honestly hate on public servants who were probably looking out for the best interest of the kids.

John Bender

10:55 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

I find it incredible that anyone here is actually clamoring for any library employee to be held responsible for kidnapping, especially because nowhere in this article does it say that the children were being held against their will by the library. The only group identified as holding these children were the police. Also, before rushing to judgement, maybe we all need to step back and wait for additional facts, here. Because if you have ever been to the library at close, there are often children waiting outside (sometimes in cold weather) for their parents to come pick them up. What happened this time that led to the police having to come pick them up? I don't think that the people who brought us this story have yet to uncover that. And for all we know, these kids could have told the library staff any number of things that they may have thought would have led them to a free ride home. I think it is a feat of intellectual laziness to assume that this single, isolated event feeds into some larger narrative of government control, especially when there is no pattern of behavior at the library to suggest so.

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Angela

10:41 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Wow. I will never allow my kids to go to the library again. This is scary stuff.

The librarian called the police because a Mom wanted her kids to be responsible? America is dead.

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Wilma Fingerdoo

5:09 pm on Thursday, December 6, 2012

From Webster's Dictionary:
Definition of RESPONSIBILITY
1: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

How in the world will today's youth ever be responsible citizens when we hold them accountable for nothing?
It is a walk home from the library.
They came to the library that way, but somehow the staff won't let them go home the way they came? And the police were called for what reason?

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E G

10:50 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012

About a year ago, my 13 year old had forgotten to return the books HE borrowed from the library. I told him, "you borrowed them, you read them, you forgot them, you pay the fine and you return them." The next day, he was to walk from the school to the library (about 3/4 of a mile) to return the books and then call me after his fine was paid and I would pick him up (our home is an additional two miles away from the library). Well, it was raining that day, he called me and asked me to pick him up from the school and drive him to the library. I told him no and continued with what I was doing. Of course he was wet when he entered the library. A short time later, he called again and he told me that the librarian had a message for me....... The librarian asked if he had walked from school, my boy responded "yes" and then the librarian had told my son, "Your mother should be given an award, because she made you be the responsible party for returning the late books, pay your own fine and get yourself here." Well he learned his lesson, he now remembers to return borrowed books on time, saving him money, and he checks the weather and wears the appropriate clothing for the elements.

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