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The ACLU of Michigan has entered the legal fray surrounding gay marriage in Michigan, filing a lawsuit to require the state to recognize about 300 same-sex marriages performed last month during the 24-hour period gay marriage was legal in the state.
Taxpayers of Troy April 16, 2014 at 06:14 pm
Oh, and Tara, you're equivalence between same-sex marriage and polygamy is a bust too. Wanna knowRead More the difference? Easy, in one word: HARM. You homophones are so insistent that gay marriage is somehow, someway gonna harm you and your marriage. That was the crux of the case DeBoer case. And you know what happened when that garbage was run up the 'ol flag pole? It got smacked down. HARD. Because no matter how much you whine, you've got no clue. You point to some magical, imagined "harm" and scream like your hair is on fire. As for polygamy, I'm sure in your infinite "education" that you know all about the Canadian lawsuit over section 293 of the Criminal Code of Canada, which bans polygamy. In upholding the ban, the judge explained that polygamy causes harm to the women and children involved. The Judge reasoned that "women in polygamous relationships are at an elevated risk of physical and psychological harm. They face higher rates of domestic violence and abuse, including sexual abuse." So polygamy can be banned because it harms women and children. So another of your vaunted reasons to hate gay people hits the ground like a turd dropped from a 747. Care to try again or you gonna stfu?
McGurk April 16, 2014 at 06:15 pm
Dale M: "Seriously doubt if any on the left will defend two-person marriage, though. BecauseRead More as you note, it would be inconsistent with “tolerance” and “diversity.” I am not on the left, but like many you perceive to be on the left, I support two-person marriage. Man-woman. Man-man. Woman-woman. All for it. Glad to hear that you support two-person marriage as well. That is fantastic. Go forth and spread the word. Thank you!
Daffy Noodnicks April 16, 2014 at 06:51 pm
Dale: support for gay marriage is not confined to "the left". Your off topic selfRead More promotion is loaded with refutations that you ignore. Gay marriage is still off topic, it's not just me who says so, it's courts of law. Don't let these inconvenient facts get in your way, you never do, just as Other posters on thread. The conservative judges are activists? Funny whenever thing don't go your way it's because of conspiracy and activism. Actually judges are just following the law.
The American Civil Liberties Union says it will file a lawsuit to require Michigan to recognize about 300 same-sex marriages performed last month after U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman's historic ruling declaring gay marriage legal.
McGurk April 15, 2014 at 07:32 pm
Dale Behler: My bad.The post of mine of 6:15 pm today was directed towards Dale M. Who are you? AndRead More why should I consider you?
Daffy Noodnicks April 15, 2014 at 07:40 pm
Also, if there has been an improvement in discourse perhaps it is because Dale M has refrained fromRead More some of his more colorful metaphors when he demeans the heartfelt religious convictions of other people because they might be slightly different than his. He has been been much more indirect lately.
Daffy Noodnicks April 15, 2014 at 08:38 pm
Dale B: you have put forward an enormous amount of vitriol toward "liberals" whoever youRead More think they are, and claim you are being attacked because people disagree with you. Maybe you need to check yourself when you speak of hate mongers.
A $3.3 million project to add access for ice fishing and hunting at Young Lake in the Holly Recreation Area will be funded under legislation signed last week by Gov. Rick Snyder. (Photo: Google Maps)
Mr Rogers April 14, 2014 at 04:19 pm
Works for me. It is too dangerous to ride a bike on the roads anymore, due to people playing withRead More their phones or programming their GPS's or whatever, and not paying any attention to where the car is going.
Wayne County has asked for a federal mediator to help resolve differences between Detroit and the suburbs on formation of a regional water authority. (Patch file photo)
Tim Brewster April 12, 2014 at 10:56 am
I am a macomb resident. Thank you mark hackle for standing up for us and not making Wayne CountyRead More problems ours. It seems that whenever detroit has a financial problem the answer to to tax the suburbs to bail them out. (dia, bus system). Not no more! I believe the resdients of Oakland and macomb are fed up. I believe Oakland and macomb need to look at other avenues for water and sewage. I would gladly vote for a millage to get us on our own water and sewage system. Then what would detroit do without that revenue?
Saulius Simoliunas April 12, 2014 at 01:52 pm
To tell the truth DWSD is an outdated system. DWSD will replace incineration by landfilling byRead More giving the contract to a pricey company and raising costs to ratepayers. Anaerobic digestion of sludge would lower the costs to ratepayers. But this is what DWSD will not do.
Harold Leese April 14, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Another Regional tax increase to learn about http://savethefueltax.org
Dextrose injections distributed by the now-closed Specialty Medicine Compounding Pharmacy to Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit were discovered to have foreign objects floating in vials last year.
Angela Carson April 11, 2014 at 07:36 am
I must say I went there once for a compound medicine and I got a very "weird" feeling ofRead More the place. I think my gut instinct was correct.
Dr. Farid Fata, who was indicted on federal Medicare fraud and money laundering charges, billed Medicare more than $10 million in 2012 alone, data released Wednesday show. (Screenshot)
J Todd April 11, 2014 at 09:08 am
Thank you for this story. I hope you will continue to keep us updated on this. My heart breaks toRead More even believe this man is guilty of this
Robert April 11, 2014 at 06:51 pm
In my circle of friends (victims), he is known as "Dr. Fatal-Evil" and as far as gettingRead More anything from his assets, we are told there isn't any assets to get. We got everything we are going to see from him already and I feel the pain everyday of his giving. Thank you GiGi, loved your post here but we are trying to get the laws changed and we need a lot of help to get there. I have stated before on other posts hoping that someone is listening that yes "What if it was your wife, child or any other loved one of yours" that has to go through what we are. How would you react and what would you do? If the politicians or other big shots just thought about that?
GiGi April 12, 2014 at 12:02 am
Robert, Will pray for u and yours! Please keep me posted on your pursuit to get the Laws Change!!Read More Something MUST be done!!!!!
Fresh Thyme Farmers Market wants to open a store in Farmington, but council members are lukewarm about the proposal. (Photo: Fresh Thyme Farmers Market)
Michael Ritenour April 11, 2014 at 09:57 am
Ms. Zrull: I'm not sure I understand your position. On the one hand you state that "bigRead More business" destroyed the local, "privately owned" businesses here, but on the other hand you say a grocery store chain with visions of growing very large very fast can "live happily side" [sic] with Zam Zam. I'm not criticizing you and I'm not a defender of Zam Zam; I'm just trying to understand what is your message. Please explain further, because this is a very important dialog to have.
Angela Zrull April 11, 2014 at 11:23 am
Let me clarify. My comment about "big business" referred to the city allowing CVS to buildRead More there, which inevitably drove the family owned drugstore in the shopping center out of business. What I'm questioning in general is a "vision plan" that seems to favor tattoo parlors and bead stores over businesses that residents here could actually make use of.
Michael Ritenour April 11, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Thank you for the clarification. I completely agree that we need to attract upscale, excitingRead More businesses like Fresh Thyme. The current Farmington Vision Plan, if followed, might accommodate such an operation within the context of a multi-use residential/retail scheme (I'm not an architect, engineer, or planner, so I'll defer to others more qualified). But it needs to be done right, with proper planning and an eye toward the long-term, in order to avoid the same short-term, short-sighted "fixes" that led to the situations you described. Fresh Thyme's plans need to be a part of an overall re-do of the center that, while it may happen in stages, at least will advance the Vision Plan instead of sidelining or thwarting it. If handled properly, this could be the start of implementing the Vision Plan in a way that we could not have anticipated but which may be perfectly valid.
A majority of Royal Oak City Commissioners supported a resolution urging the state to drop its appeal of the gay marriage ruling. (Patch file photo)
Daffy Noodnicks April 10, 2014 at 09:10 am
There are a lot of tangible and intangible things a marriage provides that any other label does not.Read More Withholding these from people who are gay has consistently been ruled to be a violation of equal protection under the constitution. If people want to say a gay marriage is somehow less than a traditional marriage in their house of worship that's their business, but in civil law it isn't fair. The religious argument falls on it's face when you consider that there are Christian marriages being conducted all over this country where it is legal to do so. Just because one persons religious convictions prevent accepting marriage equality, that does not mean it extends to everyone. Does anyone think there are not a lot (probably most) of gay people who are Christian? At any rate, fantasies about the historical influence of any particular religion has no place in civil law in this country, particularly when we are talking about equal treatment under the law. Nobody is forcing anything on anyone. When 300 gay couples were legally married in Michigan the other day, nobody was compelled to participate or attend or bless or host in their house of worship anything they didn't want to. It just meant that some people received the same treatment under civil law that I did when I married my spouse. My marriage is as sanctified and strong as ever, and gay people have been getting married around this country and the world for years.
Daffy Noodnicks April 10, 2014 at 09:14 am
Also, the Michigan marriage amendment specifically prohibited anything like a civil union, so theRead More idea that some people will somehow hold their noses when gay people get something a little but closer to equal treatment doesn't make a whole lot of sense in that light.
Daffy Noodnicks April 10, 2014 at 09:18 am
Marriage equality is the law of the land in many places in this country. Nowhere has any house ofRead More worship ever been forced to conduct a marriage ceremony that it didn't welcome. That is not what this is about. If you don't want it in your church, don't have it. Other churches will. That is the business of churches. The government (civil marriage) should not discriminate where there is no rational basis to do so.
Oakland County residents' next opportunity to talk about drilling and fracking is April 22 in White Lake Township. (Patch file photo)
Cheryl Junker April 17, 2014 at 08:09 pm
Exactly Marjorie! Michigan's water is its greatest asset! Why would we ever want to sacrifice itRead More in the name of temporary jobs and temporary fuel. This industry will come and go, destroying tourism and farming in its wake! Our water will soon be more valuable than any oil or gas, that is, if it isn't already! From a business standpoint, welcoming this industry into our state is a bad idea.
Cheryl Junker April 17, 2014 at 08:38 pm
Perhaps some here would be interested in readin 'The Shock Doctrine'. For those curious as to why weRead More are even contemplating this industrial process, this book may provide some insight, if only in theory. I know I am always curious in other's reasoning. Just a thought.even propoganda provides insight, it just takes a little critical thinking to get past the fluff! We learn the must when contemplating opposing views which is why I will be taking a peak at FrackNation as well. We know, though, that these films don't change viewpoints as most people are drawn to media that reenforces their core beliefs. That's ok, it's the debate that counts!
Cheryl Junker April 18, 2014 at 08:05 am
Beware of sources! For those seeking facts, there are a multitude if ways this industry can beRead More elusive. Most of us here have attended several Jordan Development presentations and can attest to the fact that answers vary. They can be evasive at best! What is disconcerting to me, is that with so few concrete answers and such industry friendly regulations in place, that our locally elected officials moved forward in signing a lease that could put our entire community at risk for a major industrial disaster. They can legally drill a well 350 feet from a school. On the anniversary of the fertilizer plant explosion in Texas, one can only wonder what our City Council was thinking. Last summer, over 10 bills were introduced proposing stricter local regulations that would give municipalities more control. One such bill would increase the setback distance for drilling rigs. All 10 plus bills did not even make it out of committee! Which begs the question........'WHO are our representatives in LANSING working for?'. I am deeply concerned about the control this industry possesses which is why I will be vetting my candidates well this November! Everyone needs to become engaged this midterm election for the safety of our communities. Vet your candidates well! Break industry ties and above all, cut ties with ALEC ( American Legislative Exchange Council) !
The Troy City Council is expected to make a $1.05 million offer for the land on which the Troy Transit Center was built. If accepted, the $6.3 million facility may finally open. (Photo: Dale Murrish)
Dale Murrish April 7, 2014 at 05:35 pm
Feel free to use any of the others for future articles… Would appreciate a photo credit,Read More though. http://troy.patch.com/groups/dale-murrishs-blog/p/tom-kuhn-troy-city-council-candidate
Dale Murrish April 7, 2014 at 05:36 pm
Here's another picture of it:Read More http://troy.patch.com/groups/dale-murrishs-blog/p/ellen-hodorek-troy-city-council-candidate
Dale Murrish April 7, 2014 at 07:50 pm
Thanks, Beth! Will link to this article from a blog post soon.
Attorney General Bill Schutte is asking for an expedient hearing by the 6th U.S. Circuit of Appeals of his appeal of Judge Bernard Friedman's ruling that legalized gay marriage. (Getty images)
cookiepro2 April 8, 2014 at 10:23 pm
Ha, Daffy, I was trying to figure out what you meant! Yes, I disagree with the Mozilla firing too.Read More Employers should not be able to dig up who you contribute to, publicize it, and use it as cause for firing, unless they can prove it is significantly detrimental to their business.
Daffy Noodnicks April 8, 2014 at 10:30 pm
Sorry for any confusion. Perhaps I should proofread a little better. I would have deleted theRead More comment and reposted a corrected one, but some people have been thrown into fits of delusional apoplexy over such things, and I would not want to be responsible for that.
John David April 9, 2014 at 09:06 am
Daffy is right that the case involving the photographers is done.  In New Mexico the state lawRead More barring discrimination based on sexual orientation has been affirmed by their supreme court and the photographers have lost the case. As far as law is concerned, issues regarding marriage and discrimination will be settled in court.  The court cases so far indicate that bans to same sex marriage will be found unconstitutional. Individuals or groups can rant and rave, but most of us will accept the decisions.  Even though the court struck down laws against whites marrying non-whites decades ago, some still object and consider the issue open, but the legal matter is settled.  Problems will come up, like the ill considered proposed law Brewer vetoed in Arizona, but hopefully those are few.  At some point it would be nice if Michigan were to enact civil rights legislation affirming protections for LGBT, but obviously not under this legislature. BTW, the Supreme Court's rules generally govern what cases they will take-see Rule 10: http://www.supremecourt.gov/ctrules/2013RulesoftheCourt.pdf
Shoshana Hebshi's lawsuit against Frontier Airlines, the FBI and several other government agencies can move forward, a federal judge in Detroit has ruled. (Screenshot: WDIV video)
B. Dub April 4, 2014 at 12:00 pm
The quote, "They also needed to make sure all my orifices were free and clear" wasRead More something that she wrote - kind of sarcastically - not an actual quote or instruction from the DHS agent. I absolutely hope she prevails. My problem here is with the sensationalism of the headline. The eidtor took an off-the-cuff remark and made it appear as if this is what was actually said to her, or even what was done. Apparently Patch is vying for space with the Weekly World News.
TAASMAN April 4, 2014 at 01:49 pm
I thought it said her offices were free and clear. Now I see the issue.
Nathan Wagstaff April 9, 2014 at 07:29 am
This is so disgusting. The scumbags that reported her probably think they were doing their civicRead More duty, cuz 9/11. And the female officer strip searches her, but the guys get to watch her use the toilet. These people are awful!
Angela April 3, 2014 at 06:57 am
Where is this tower located?
rogeravie April 3, 2014 at 07:42 am
Halstead near 696....if you are traveling west on 696 at drake took straight ahead and you can'tRead More miss it.....a new land mark in town.
President Barack Obama spoke Wednesday at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor about increasing the federal minimum wage. (Screenshot: White House video)
TAASMAN April 5, 2014 at 09:30 am
It's like you people never left high school. Wait Middle School with all the bullying that goes on.Read More Social Media is the place where all Bullies hide behind their so called avatar. I wanted to come back to patch to see if maybe it had changed and was more of a great place to debate issues without the bullying. But to no avail, it has become a bullying stop, but more importantly an entertaining morning with my coffee. It's good to know there are more screwed up people in this world than me.
Shawn Austin April 5, 2014 at 10:45 am
TAASMAN, I have to say that what you said hurts so very badly. It is quite obvious that it was yourRead More sole purpose to belittle and bully those here who are having a conversation you want no part of except to put us down. Please take you and your bullying ways elsewhere. I will now go sit in my room and have a good cry.
TAASMAN April 5, 2014 at 10:51 am
Shawn, thanks for the comments. Have a Great Day.
The Traditionalist Youth Movement filed an amicus brief supporting Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette's appeal of a federal judge's ruling legalizing gay marriage in Michigan. Schuette has denounced the brief. (Photo: Southern Poverty Law Center
Daffy Noodnicks April 2, 2014 at 11:58 am
It is interesting to note that AGs in 7 states, from Oregon to Virginia, dropped their defenses ofRead More state marriage bans. They chose not to defend laws that violates some people's basic rights. I think it is a shame that our AG has chosen to do otherwise.
Jay Charles April 2, 2014 at 01:31 pm
It seems that Dale's favorite champion of religious liberty, while opposed to paying forRead More contraceptives for their employees, has no such compunction about making money from their sale. http://www.okcfox.com/story/25134209/hobby-lobby-offered-employees-chance-to-invest-in-controversial-contraceptions
Pete Rogan April 2, 2014 at 04:18 pm
Bloody hypocrites. Bloody CONNIVING hypocrites at that.
Same-sex couples, some shown at the Oakland County Courthouse, are in a sort of legal limbo after the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals stayed Friday's ruling turning back a ban on gay marriage. (Photo: Getty/AFP, Bill Pugliano)
Daffy Noodnicks March 24, 2014 at 07:16 pm
No legal argument has held up in court against marriage equality, and it won't, because there is noRead More rational basis for it. Your "religious freedom" question is also addressed in the opinion of the court. Why don't you read it? There is also no rational basis for that either.
Dale Murrish March 24, 2014 at 07:23 pm
Perhaps this one judge in this court; not all courts. SCOTUS is hearing the Hobby Lobby case rightRead More now. Different issue, but similar religious objection.
Daffy Noodnicks March 24, 2014 at 07:34 pm
Completely different issues. This issue has been brought up in Texas, Utah, many other states allRead More other the same result.
The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has extended the stay on a ruling striking down Michigan's ban on gay marriage.
Daffy Noodnicks March 26, 2014 at 06:25 pm
Dale: people's rights are not subject to a vote. the waste of tax dollars is the AG trying to clingRead More to this unfair, unconstitutional amendment that was overturned. In addition to the waste of tax dollars, it is causing real harm to Michigan families. Kudos to the people fighting this unfair discrimination and the ACLU for defending them, when the state government is depriving them of constitutional rights.
Taxpayers of Troy March 26, 2014 at 06:45 pm
Yes, Dale, the rule of law is under attack! Citizens used the court system to get an unfair lawRead More overturned! OH noes!!!!1! That's right, only the Jesus freaks get rights in Dale Murrish's 'Merica!
Jen April 6, 2014 at 12:37 pm
The Supreme court ruled it unconstitutional to ban gay people from getting married. That trumps anyRead More vote. Our Federal constitution prohibits the discrimination of gay people now. Equal rights are not up for a vote and it was wrong of them to attempt to do that.
Gov. Rick Snyder sidestepped questions about his own views about same-sex marriage at a news conference Wednesday. (Photo: Bill Pugliano/Getty Images/AFP)
cookiepro2 March 29, 2014 at 07:21 pm
Saw an article on Statistics Canada (like our Census Bureau) on data gathered 2010, five years afterRead More same sex marriage was legalized. Same sex marriages increased by 181.5% while heterosexual marriages increased by 2.9%. Still, same sex couples accounted for only .8% of all couples. Furthermore, for those concerned about the impact on "traditional families", here's more: "Slightly more same-sex couples were male (54.5 per cent) than female (45.5 per cent). Same-sex couples were also younger than opposite-sex couples, with one-quarter of homosexual couples under 34 years of age and only 6.2 per cent over the age of 65. Only 17.5 per cent of heterosexual couples were under 34 years of age, while 17.8 per cent of couples were over 65. Far fewer same-sex couples had children at home. Only 9.4 per cent of same-sex couples had at least one child at home while 47.2 per cent of heterosexual couples had families. Lesbians were almost five times more likely to have a child at home than gay males. Although the 2011 Census paints a more diverse image of the Canadian family, the country’s family portrait still remains a married mother and father and their two children."
cookiepro2 March 29, 2014 at 07:30 pm
Here's a link to the article:Read More http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/19/canada-marriage-census-2011_n_1896155.html I now think it is better to go with "marriage" route with gay couples rather than creating some kind of "civil union". Because there are already substantial hurdles in place to dissolving marriage, it is not something to be taken lightly, and that should be the same regardless of gender.
Daffy Noodnicks March 29, 2014 at 11:37 pm
Here's a funny idea: perhaps gay people want to get married for exactly the same reasons as everyoneRead More else. I would venture a guess that most would not see it as a tax dodge. I certainly didn't when I was fortunate enough that Mrs. Noodnicks said yes to me.
Michigan's Democratic congressional district asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to clarify the federal status of same-sex couples married after the state's ban on gay marriage was declared unconstitutional, but before the ruling was stayed.
John David April 3, 2014 at 05:05 pm
You've got to be taught To hate and fear, You've got to be taught From year to year, It's got to beRead More drummed In your dear little ear You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made, And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade, You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late, Before you are six or seven or eight, To hate all the people your relatives hate, You've got to be carefully taught! 1949 South Pacific, Rodgers and Hammerstein
Jay Charles April 4, 2014 at 05:04 pm
Yes, John David, prejudice has to be learned, whether it be directed against blacks, Jews,Read More Christians, Muslims, gays, Polish, Germans, Italians, Hispanics , etc. Apparently RG has done a very good job of teaching his son to hate.
John David April 5, 2014 at 03:52 am
Prejudice and hate, RG, is old stuff. Thinking a kid can look at two men, assume they areRead More homosexual (how clever he knew) and claim they were unnatural is amazing. But, hate, despite what many try to teach, seems to live on in many way. Racial "traditions" are still clung to many places, like some southern public schools that have few whites because prejudice drives whites to private ones, but are amazingly run by white dominated school boards. There is always hope with each new generation, though. Maybe your son can be taught and learn tolerance, if he's naturally incapable of acceptance. Here's a story about lingering "traditions" clearly stemming from racial prejudice, where a new generation shows an older one what is obviously right to most of us. Bet that someone will say it's "unnatural". http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/04/living/integrated-prom-wilcox-county-georgia/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said Friday that legally married Michigan gay couples are entitled to federal benefits. (Patch file photo)
V March 28, 2014 at 02:51 pm
Good. I know a couple who got married in our county. Glad that the feds will recognize theirRead More marriage.
gregg phillips March 30, 2014 at 09:13 am
can someone give an example of the federal benefit we are talking about?
Jay Charles March 30, 2014 at 10:25 am
There are a number of federal benefits that apply, depending on circumstances. Jointly filing anRead More income tax return, social security benefits, inheritance taxes, if military a whole range including housing allowances, commissary rights, PX privileges, etc.
McGurk April 2, 2014 at 09:04 pm
Editor: Beth; probably, Thank you for removing my comment.
cookiepro2 April 2, 2014 at 11:43 pm
Jay Charles, your entitlement explanation made me laugh! Dale, thanks for your reply. I have a hardRead More time thinking of marriage as something sacred needing protection, due to the high divorce rate, as high as 50% in some reports; it is already a flawed institution. Letting a small minority attain their wish and give them happiness when it is not hurting anyone else does not seem like a big thing.
John David April 3, 2014 at 03:56 am
Cookiepro, at 2:06 pm you asked what a society is to do [with older, chronically unemployed do] withRead More such citizens, let them starve? In some circles, it's not an unlikely position. Some would say they ought to take action themselves, sell and move, or live in whatever diminished circumstances they find themselves. It is a tough position, complicated, and universal. Look at the various European famines of the 19th century, including the Irish and how the British and Irish reacted or displaced farm and industrial workers, or those who've more recently lost their jobs because of cheap overseas labor. Virtually none affected was really responsible for what happened to themselves. The US and the states do have many safety nets, which some of the hardhearted, hardheaded, or strict "true" belivers of some political persuations, brush off by saying they are Marxist, or socialist, or will make the US the next Greece. None of these safety nets will allow anyone, contrary to some of the hard hearted and hard headed, to live in luxury while collecting a "handout". So, if some find their livelihoods or certain "freedoms" at risk because we are finding a non discriminatory society as required under our Constitution threatened, they really need to decide how they are going to live in that society. Reading comments here, reflecting those reactions, at least reasonable ones, is what makes viewing Patchof most of its value, at least to me.
Why should vultures get all the roadkill? A proposal before the Michigan Legislature would balance things out. (Photo: Beth Dalbey/Patch)
Michael Ritenour April 1, 2014 at 09:41 am
Pete: Y'all must be thuh smartest in yore family, maybe a teachur or a counter guy at thuhRead More Seven-Eleven!
Pete Rogan April 1, 2014 at 01:06 pm
Yup. In fact, Ah'm the representative frum ALEC. We're gonna fix all y'alls laws REAL GOOD.
Mr Rogers April 2, 2014 at 01:55 am
Ooooh Dawgiee! Granny's road kill stew is to die for!!!
Officials in Rochester, Farmington Hills and Auburn Hills are in preliminary discussions about building a regional skatepark.(Patch file photo)
Sue March 31, 2014 at 01:11 am
The OPC is paid for through a VOTED MILLAGE and various grants for programs, user fees and seriousRead More fundraising. Do you skateboarders have anything similar to offer? The Velodrome - here's the info from the Rochester Hills website: "The IVBP was paid for by private donations, built by volunteers from the cycling community, was given to the city of Rochester Hills, and is operated daily throughout the summer by a crew of dedicated volunteers. The IVBP is a 501c(3) non-profit organization with all monies administered by the Community Foundation of Greater Rochester through the Mike Walden Velodrome Fund. IVBP operational costs are covered by private tax-deductible donations, track & bike use fees, ticket sales to races, and sales of IVBP logo items. " http://www.ivbp.org/ Are you looking for that kind of a deal? You build, you operate it with volunteers, raise money for it and have fundraisers? It doesn't sound like that's your vision to me.
Sue March 31, 2014 at 01:13 am
Also, Rochester does not have oil drilling revenue. I suggest you start fundraising.
RG March 31, 2014 at 08:37 am
I am just someone with an unbiased opinion, trying to brainstorm.
President Barack Obama, shown here during the 2012 campaign, plans to visit Michigan Wednesday to build support for increasing the federal minimum wage. (Photo: Beth Dalbey/Patch)
cookiepro2 April 3, 2014 at 12:43 am
Found this FAQ from the Department of Labor on minimum wage exemptions. Duh, on me, there isRead More already an exemption for small businesses. Also, employers can get a waiver for paying full time students minimum wage (though must be 85% of MW). Someone in an earlier post had mentioned about having to pay handicapped workers MW, no, according to this sheet they are exempted too. Also, off topic but interesting, if your child complains that you are violating child labor laws by making them do chores, this is exempted too! Here's the link: http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/q-a.htm
Tom Thumb April 3, 2014 at 09:47 am
Cookie, it is nice to have a rational discussion, thank you also. I agree with your perfect worldRead More idealism, sadly that is not how it will work. Also, before you go off wishing the bonuses would be less carefully think about where that money goes. This is the fun of economics. For full disclosure my degree is in economics. That bonus money gets spent on, lets call them frivolous things. Boats, cars, vacations, stock purchases etc. Those are the very items that employ many many of the people you are talking about. So take 10k away from XYZ corp Vice President and he doesn't take that trip to florida. A made doesn't work to clean his room, a dishwasher doesn't wash the dishes he ate from at the restaurant and so on and so on. Then take this times thousands and who suffers? So the price of the Big Mac goes up, so the dishwasher can still only buy one and he loses hours to boot. It is a fallacy that the economy trickles up. Well, it does, but it is ever so slow compared to trickling down. Another example. Small business owner A gets a tax break of $50,000. He will most likely (history proves this) spend it on his business. So he puts a new roof on his business. 6 guys get a job roofing, 35 guys get a job making the shingles Etc. Even if he puts it in his savings account he will buy stock which supports a company allowing them to borrow more money and the same result.Now contrast that with trickle up theory. A gets 25 more customers and he makes his margin on their purchases. Average margin (what he makes off his product) is not very much. Instead of fixing his roof, he buys a dinner out. Yes it has increased the economy but not the big drivers on employment. Having said that in aggregate, over years he will make more but as we see with our current economic situation it takes forever. A great way to look at an economy is to look at the purchasing power of a dollar. That is what the real people feel. If it's high they are happy and spending money which in turn employs people. If it is low, we get stagflation. The purchasing power and the wages by the way are at their highest during times of economic upswing and full employment. Reagan, Clinton, somewhat Bush II at least in the beginning. Those were the best times for both the poor and the rich. The gap closed! Contrary to Carter, Obama and Bush II after he lost both the House and the Senate and thus the control of the economy the gap widened. My problem with the current Democratic party is they live in an idealistic world of how they want it should be therefore it will be and that is simply not how it works. Proof is in the history books. Look at the Clinton years, he was dragged all-be-it kicking and screaming into fiscal conservatism but it gave him a record of success. His economic policies were more conservative than either of the Bush's.
TAASMAN April 3, 2014 at 11:30 am
@tom Thumb, very well put with a great fact based argument which holds true. Reagan and Clinton hadRead More opposite issues with the other party controlling, but they Lead by following simple economics. At the end of the day economics should be taught every year so that constituents understand the trickle down theory and that it works. Believing a persons theory's with no fact based ideology, is like a cat chasing a dog.
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